Wind Turbine near Garstang

A planning debate on a new Wind Turbine near Garstang has been on-going for nearly 2 years and it appears that the turbine is to be built after the local council was over-ridden by the Planning Inspectorate. 

This is an interesting microcosm of a national debate where it is said that over half of the planned ‘green’ energy turbines are being blocked by local opposition. The old debate about national need v local inconvenience. 

The single turbine near Garstang is about 500 metres from the nearest house and has a mast 80m (250ft) high and turbines that extend to 120m (400ft) high. It will generate up to 1MW of power for the Dewlay Cheese Factory on windy days. 

It is said that around 300 letters objecting to the proposal have been written with a variety of reasons including the risk of car crashes caused by distracted drivers. It is little surprise that the local council should reject the plan as they havn’t much to gain by letting it through unless Dewlay made the unlikely decision to shut shop. 

As a citizen of the UK is it right that remote windmills inconveniencing very few people a little bit should be blocked. What alternative power sources are the blockers proposing. A nuclear power station on someone elses doorstep or a barrage across Morecambe Bay?  I pass Dewlay a few times a year and it appears to be quite isolated. When I get out of my car either in Garstang or Scorton I’m met by noise from the motorway that really does cause irritation. There are a couple of lines of pylons in the Garstang area as well.

 It’s a bit like the on-going war between Cantaxx and the locals about storing gas underground in Wyre. I have a lot of sympathy with locals about the risks involved but also noted that the government said the UK has the lowest amount of gas storage in Europe and is therefore vulnerable to shortages. Once again local opposition is a factor.

 Where safety is a factor there must be restrictions but if a few people can see and even fewer hear a single turbine in the distance as well as some pylons and a motorway should we have sympathy.

 As a final test I looked out of our window and there is a small hill over roofs about 500yds away. I think it would be enhanced by an impressive 400ft high wind turbine. Although I don’t believe in carte blanche situation of windmills. Shame they aren’t like the old windmills which brings on another stream of mixed thoughts.

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Criced – England v Australia

I learnt the Welsh for cricket. Yes, it’s criced.  Pronounced crickedd probably.

What is the relevance of that?  England are playing the first test away, in Wales.

AT this moment England only need 100 runs to avoid an innings defeat with only the tail enders remaining. Anything other than defeat seems unlikely.

As it’s on Sky I havn’t seen any but you have to hand it to the Aussies they made it appear like they were playing a poor team when these are the best we have.  So what to do about it?  It seems England have no worthy bowlers so is it possible to develop a fielding plan to compensate or are there any alternative bowlers.  Is the captain up to it?  I’ve no idea, it seems that anything involving a bat or racket and England are out. Then again it’s only the first test and if a lesson is to be taught it’s best to get it early.

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Leyland Vehicle Event 2009

Havn’t been to the event for a couple of years and discovered late that it’s moved to the middle of Leyland now.

Sign on the motorway said use Junction 29 and then I discovered that all signs led to Park and Ride. Well my intention was to jump out of the car look around and take some photos and be home to go out for lunch.  I didn’t know where it was and after driving round the mysterious roads of Leyland and experiencing the curious high and bevel edged speed humps I decided to go home. 40 mile round trip, lack of initiative on my part, need to buck up.

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A visit to Blackpools Art Gallery

Yesterday had a look at the Grundy Art Gallery in Blackpool. It’s a small place, but not a bad building,  near North Station. At the moment there is a collection of photographs mounted in acrylic to give a high gloss look. The theme is ‘the world is a stage’. A collection of people who are involved in showbusiness but photographed outside their normal setting in isolation like an empty corridor. Several larger than life people from Las Vegas to Blackpool.   Not a bad presentation, didn’t take long to see and wouldn’t travel far just to see it. There is a local history gallery upstairs which doesn’t do Blackpool justice.

Then had a look in Blackpool library and its local history room and found some interesting stuff for the Preston website.  Blackpool library isn’t part of Lancashire library service so I can’t take out books, that’s one effect of unitary councils.

So Preston has a better library, art gallery and museum and it has 2 other museums and the local records office. Shame Blackpool can’t improve theirs as it has an interesting history.

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Harris Museum & Art Gallery

Thought we’d have a look in the museum this week although we were short of time and I now wish I’d written something earlier as I’ve forgotten the details. 

The painting of Sir Richard Arkwright that the museum has bought with help from many organisations and shares with the National Portrait Gallery is still on display although the related adverts said its display had finished. It’s quite a large painting and you need to get close to see the detail in the dark bits. I looked closely into his face to see if any signs of his character could be found. He’s an inventor and an entrepreneur born 280 years ago. Maybe his wig and dress were too remote from today as I didn’t see anything that said he was such a person.

There are some large photographs of Preston taken around 1850.  Around Avenham Park looking across the Tram Road. The locals thought the trams were noisy. Another room has watercolours of the area around Preston by an artist called Beattie. These are interesting and show some of the old pubs and churches as they were.  The main display at the moment is one of fairytale art and for some reason it didn’t do much for me although we were running out of time.

I think my favourite painting is one of Preston in the 1950’s overlooking the rail tracks looking towards the centre.  Pauline in the Yellow Dress has been moved a bit. That day for some reason I decided her undone dress was a bit unkempt when previously I’d thought the actual dress looked a bit prim all buttoned up.

The exhibition of the history of Preston has good content but it isn’t displayed very well. It seems a bit tired and old fashioned. Yet there is some good stuff going back to ancient hunters to a large model of Horrocks mill.

It is a fine place the Harris.  The staff are always friendly and helpful but sometimes I think a guided talk would be good.

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Marina at Cottam?

I read in the LEP that a planning application has been submitted to build a marina, apartments, Tesco and nature reserve at Cottam. Sounds a good thing from reading it and having little knowledge of the area. I might wonder what size of Tesco and the nature reserve sounds neat if it’s accessible.  Planning applications are a bit of a laugh nowadays, there is always something about nature or accessibility and often masking some feature. A house near us was re-built with a very wide drive for ‘accessibility’ not that they hoped the house would be more marketable with a large drive and small garden.

Less of the cynicism. There are a lot of planning proposals around Preston at the moment. Tithebarn, Winckley, Flag Market and now this which is out of the centre.  I noticed on a recent visit that Blackpool has a lot of work in their centre as well including some amazingly large arch structures in one street for a sound and light display.  The Blackpool work is actually happening. However they don’t like Prestons ambitions and are protesting about Tithebarn. Where is all this money coming from?  At least it’s creating jobs and I guess that is also improving optimism about planning application.

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Alan Irvine Stays

A bit late with this one although there is something on the website. Snippets are coming out since the decision on Tuesday morning that Alan Irvine has turned down the job at WBA.  

He wanted to listen to what they had to say but wanted to stay at Preston as he appreciated the opportunity he’d been given on his appointment and he felt there is a job to finish.

He said he had a 15 year apprenticeship before North End gave him the job. I can appreciate from that and his other comments what kind of person he might be.  He is obviously not one for rocking the boat and looking round for the next best chance.  He’s a stable type who lives not too far away, he’s 50. Why should he go to WBA when the chance of the sack in 12 months is high. WBA won’t appreciate that he keeps them in the Championship whereas at Preston he has that tick in the box and now he’s got another tick by staying.  At Preston he’s only likely to get the sack if they look like going down or have too long in the doldrums.

Vice versa if he does another nearly promoted job next year he’ll be seen as a real hot ticket as it won’t be a flash in the pan and a premier league club might look at him. Whereas would he take WBA go up next year, not necessarily, and if not it’s a blot. Add to that there’s Newcastle, Middlesbrough, Sheff U, Reading, Preston and the surprise teams waiting to bite. Ipswich, Notts F anybody?

Also Prestons a decent place, nice ground and facilities, not too bustling, nice surrounding areas, friendly. If you were to have a managerial development placing on your CV  and wanted to hit the top places Preston would look like a great posting.

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Barton Grange

Visited the new Barton Grange yesterday. It was a very hot day, about 28degC.   We’ve not been before and it was further towards Garstang than I expected,  just north of the turn off to Guys and through Bilsborrow. You’re impressed from the moment you arrive with it’s open feel, a brick surface on the large car park and a lot of elaborate metalwork.

Inside it was large, open and a decent temperature considering how hot it was outside. It had a lot of nice stuff on sale like most of these places;  furniture and accessories, patio furniture, gardening equipment. Biggish plant area nicely set out. Nice cafe and restaurant with outside seating by what might be a false stream, couldn’t tell. After going through the till you come to the Farmers Shop which contains a good range of quality foods nicely set out.  The gents loo has a special feature which you can buy a photo of.

It’s a bit difficult when you go to these places to know if they really are full of the things you’d buy as we went with no real intention of buying anything except a snack and a drink. I did notice that the Farmers Shop was top price as I buy Black Sheep beer and have never seen it that expensive but if someone spends all that money to make a place worth visiting it has to be paid for. We bought some bread, cheese and fruit.

Overall it’s a nice place to go yet somehow it seemed bigger on style than content. The designer has done a good job and it has a plush feel. I’ll have another look sometime. A worthy destination for the region.

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Baxi merge with Dutch company

Baxi the central heating boilermaking company who began life in Bamber Bridge over 150 years ago have merged with a Dutch company. The company is now based in Derby and owns the names of many of Britains best known central heating companies, like Potterton, Main and Valor as well as some overseas. It is now the 3rd largest boilermaker in Europe after two German companies.

It’s good to see some manufacturing still in the UK although I noted that they have just opened a lower cost factory in Turkey. Also that their biggest shareholders are Private Equity companies.

Some of North Ends best years not long ago were when Baxi was the name on their shirts.

Note: I since read in the LEP that Baxi still employ 600 in Bamber Bridge. If so that’s good news although last time I drove round there it seemed to be an estate of apartments where I recalled the office, factory and the famous Baxi duck pond on the bend.

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Tithebarn Project

The Preston Council Leaders blog says the Planning Committee will be sitting on Wednesday’s 8th and 15th of July to assess the Tithebarn planning application.

I have some doubts although overall it sounds good enough.

Liverpool One cost about £1bn which is about 40% more than Prestons £700m. It’s size is about 42 acres compared with  32 acres for Preston which is about 30% more.  So Prestons development is cheaper per acre, if that means anything. I’ve read that Liverpool One had some cost overruns although the figures I’ve seen quoted aren’t that clear and are around 10% which doesn’t seem overly excessive.

The Leader of Preston Councils blog says the developers have assured the council it will be available and suitable for the Guild Celebration. I guess there is a risk but that part of Preston didn’t feature much in the Guild I didn’t think except for the bus station and car park. A shuttle bus service from a car park on Moor Park might be needed. Is that in the budget?

Shame about the old bus station it’s a unique and impressive building to look at, although I recall when I used it I thought it was hard to access and you couldn’t see the bus destination boards. Reversing buses didn’t seem such a good idea either.

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PNE – Alan Irvine summer gossip

Alan Irvine is being linked with the vacant West Brom manager post.  A bit flattering for North End, but unwelcome.

Papers in the midlands have a list of likely candidates.  Former WBA captain Derek McInnes is a favourite of the fans I read, then again I’m not sure the fans are good judges, look at Newcastle.  Other people on the list are from Peterborough: Darren Ferguson, Cardiff: Dave Jones, Bristol City: Gary Johnson,  ex-Reading : Steve Coppell, ex-Charlton and West Ham manager Alan Curbishley and ex-Blackburn boss Paul Ince, ex-Watford: Andy Boothroyd.

Personally I’d go for Steve Coppell he has the additional advantage of being unemployed.  Dave Jones of Cardiff has also got a lot of experience although I’d not wish Cardiff’s loss unless it came to the crunch.

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National Politics: A couple of recent events – the Con. Lab. Speaker and the £9.6m man

I don’t like putting national stuff on here but sometimes I get a bit fired up.  So a note on a couple of things that came out yesterday.  Lets see if these are storms in teacups or just a further step up the stairway of public revulsion. I think the dog has now got a bad name and somehow is ignoring the signs of bad house training.

The Speaker of the House of Commons was selected last night. John Bercow a Conservative was voted in by Labour. So we’ve had MP’s voting that the Freedom of Information Act doesn’t apply to them. Exaggerated expenses. Now when everyone is distrusting MP’s the man selected to sort it out is one who has paid back several thousands of pounds, no-one has heard of and only 3 in his own party voted for him. Does this seem suspicious?

Number 2 event is the new chairman of Royal Bank of Scotland will be paid around £7m in bonuses if he meets certain targets which seem to be mainly focussed on short term gain. We’ve all been told that short term gain and large bonuses were the root cause of the banking problems. Does this sound like nothing has changed after all the moralising and £bn’s of pounds of taxpayers money? This man is tasked with getting the share price to 70p so taxpayers can make a profit which sounds laudible but is it more likely with the bonus? Does the bonus take away all scruples so he’ll work 24/7, sack people and do inhuman things to achieve this goal?  I thought it probably wouldn’t. Is there more that we don’t know about?

Is the world going mad or do we need a major change? I’m not thinking a General Election will help as I don’t see anyone who looks clean.  Maybe Monster Raving Lunatic, click below.

http://www.omrlp.com/

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Preston Bus Station preservation

Interesting article in the Times at the weekend about the architectural value of Preston bus station.  According to English Heritage it is ‘one of the most innovative pieces of transport architecture in Britain’.  Part of Prestons identity according to the group trying to save it.

My own opinion is that demolition of any one-off building might be found to be  a mistake in years to come. Preston seems to have excelled in demolishing things that might now be items to cherish like the Public Hall and Town Hall remains. There are some interesting buildings tucked away so no-one can see them. To name two; All Saints Church with a classical front in Elizabeth Street off Lancaster Road and the Playhouse Theatre.  The bottom end of Friargate has some interesting features if you look above the shops or at the alleyway arches.

Then again the bus station is a bit big to preserve. Yet some say that size is one of it’s main features.  So preserving a bit of it might seem to defeat the object even if the problem of access could be overcome by doing that.

The Times article says it is said the car park entrances are too small for modern cars. But you can argue that cars are about to get smaller, petrol at 150p anyone, green taxes as the temperature begins to obviously get higher.  Also it is said it was built for a bigger Preston and cuts off a large area. Although this might be the age of the bus.

I’ve always felt a bit of pride that Preston had such an unusual and large building, vastly superior to the terrible bus stations in nearby towns. Although I’ve always thought it has a lot of major faults.  Also I’d like the investment.  So I sympathise with both sides and on balance would like it to stay with improvements. For example it doesn’t have to be a bus station for its whole length and half of it could be merged into a pedestrian area with shops at The Guild Hall side. That end wouldn’t even need to be completely blocked in, just preserve the shape.

Read more here;

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/court_and_social/article6538907.ece

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More on Digital Switchover

Went on a visit to my old aunt south of Preston. She had a letter from an alleged Switchover Help Scheme saying the BBC can help you switch to digital TV. It mentioned a company called DSHS Ltd sounds a bit like DHSS, first sign of a spoof. At the bottom it says it’s from Eaga Ltd, is this a joke. I once saw a sandwich caravan with Eaga Bites on the side.

It’s only £40 for a box, new aerial (if you need it) and after care service. Sounds too good to be true.

On searching the internet this appears to be a genuine arrangement for the over 75’s although Help the Aged and AGE Concern have nothing about it on their websites. Then again I’m never keen on national arrangements, I wonder what their criteria are for new aerials, not that it matters at £40 all in, but I wouldn’t like it to fall down. If it’s an all in deal is it in the companies interest to change your aerial or do they get extra from the BBC for doing it?

As I’d said in my last note, a person said on the radio this morning that a new aerial should not be necessary.

My aunt is the sort of person who won’t understand 2 remotes, so should she get a new TV or a multi-remote. Although I have trouble with my multi-remote so 2 remotes are probably better. If it doesn’t work out a new TV will be the last call.

Overall it sounds like it might be a good thing, need to find out some more.

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Preston Military Show and Football Museum

Saturday 20th June, a sunny day after early cloud, parked at Deepdale and wandered round the National Football Museum. Thought it had improved since my last visit. Seemed a lot to take in and so I focussed on the last 50 years. Watching a video of George Best made me think that he was better than Ronaldo, although it’s hard to compare as the game is different now.  Best had such balance and the ball seemed glued to his feet. Compare a football shirt of the 1960’s with one of today, a bit like comparing aunties knitted cardigan with a brand name made from fine material. Nice room for Tom Finney. Enjoyed creating my own football show, only a bit confused. North Ends ground is looking good now although the new stand seems an odd fit, presumably to keep its line down against the houses behind, shame really.

Then a short walk up to Fulwood Barracks to see the Military Show. The barracks are a mid 19th century uncompromising military building, attractive in its way. Although it takes a large area it’s something that must be preserved.  There is a large square surrounded by functional terrace style accommodation made from large blocks of stone.  I’ve often wanted to see the Queens Lancashire Regiment museum and it was open. Not much room to move with the crowds from the show so didn’t linger. Once again there is a lot to take in and I end up with more questions than answers. The museum is a bit dark and varnished wood in style. Explanations of battles and displays of medals, a banquet hall and chapel. I had read there is a booklet about the regiment, and have seen it on Ebay, but I didn’t see it in the museum, there isn’t a shop.

So a walk round the display outside; several recruiting displays including one for the infantry enabling a feel of different types of guns, a lot of boys round here. A boxing ring with a tiny boy giving a soldier a real miniature pasting. Boxing separates men from boys but in this case the tiny boy was really going for it, till the soldier raised himself off his knees a bit and the boy suddenly realised it wasn’t all plain sailing. An RAF cockpit was popular and so was the Challenger Tank and Armoured Personnel Carrier. The 105mm gun attracting a crowd.  Younger boys enjoyed the horns in the Land Rovers.  A military band and pipe band were playing. There was a marching and action display later but I left before it started. Seemed a popular day.

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Digital Britain

I’ve read that the recently released government sponsored report ‘Digital Britain’ proposes everyone should be able to have a 2MB broadband link – almost 3 million homes havn’t. Also that higher speed lines should be available to 90% of the population.  To fund this a £6 a year tax on all land telephone lines will be made.

Basically I’m against any new taxes and I’m more inclined to think that those without access should pay more towards it, although I’m not against some kind of subsidy.

Where I live my line is up to 8MB on a good day although I pay in hope for 16MB. I’d really like 20MB and my use of the internet might justify it, so should I be subsidised?  We havn’t got cable in our area so should that be subsidised?

When you start writing you realise how much you don’t know. I think I’ll update this after doing some research into line speeds in our area. I’d imagine that only those living in the   hills might not get 2MB around here.  Those living in built up areas should get up to 8MB. Those near exchanges might get 16MB. Then there are the cable customers who already have fast lines.

What technology is round the corner, there is mobile, fibre optic / cable, satellite, electrical mains transmission, television. Underground cable seems a bit old tech to me. Surely wireless is going to be the way forward. Although I’m not convinced that wireless, either mobile phone or home network, isn’t a long term health risk. Then again trains used to have a man with a red flag walking in front of them.

I’d support a national plan that keeps the UK at the forefront but the word ‘tax’, however small it starts at, puts a pallor on the whole thing.  Also the rapid changes in technology and variety of providers make large scale uneconomic investment a risky business.

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University of Central Lancashire (UCL) in Times league table

Exeter University does a survey of Universities each year that is published in the Times newspaper. I thought I’d have a look at this and produce a laymans view.

The criteria are; Student Satisfaction, Research Quality, Entry Standards, Student / Staff ratio, Services and facilities spend, completion, good honours, graduate prospects. These are all scored.

Top is Oxford with a total of 1000 points. It isn’t immediately obvious how this 1000 was calculated although I guessed it is the benchmark and the others would be a percentage of this top figure for easy comparison. However a simple calculation resulted in the university with 504 points only having about 40% of Oxfords total so I havn’t persevered to work it out.

It must be difficult for Exeter as they did the exercise and got it independantly assessed. However they rose significantly in the table. Their out-performance in student satisfaction being compensated by low entry standards. Does any university look at this and say we can improve a bit here and jump up?

Overall the table looks like a useful indicator but I’d be wary of being too precise in analysing it.  For example I’d be wary of subjective measures like student satisfaction.  Facilities spend is another skewed area as a university building a new extension will get more than one that’s just finished building one. Do you want to study on a building site?  Student / staff ratio might hide other factors like part-time or distance learners. In general the table order looks like you’d expect it to. Without advice on interpreting this my own method is to look at individual statistics to see if any stand out and take all of it as an indication and not as an absolute.

Out of 114 organisations UCL was 78th a fall of 15 places.  A total of 392 points compared to Oxfords 1000.  To maintain their position they would need another 40 points which might be in the level of error.  Interestingly Graduate Prospects at UCL would put them well up the table which is something I’d be interested in as a student. On the other hand completion and entry standards are a bit lower than those around it and student staff ratio is a bit higher. So if you do complete prospects are better than many, at that time.

Oxford and Cambridge are in a league of their own, like Manchester United and Chelsea at football. You then come to those with good research quality and consistent spread with points over 600. Then a middling ruck and some floating adrift at the bottom due to a couple of bad scores.

If I was a student I’d find this interesting yet I’d know what sort of place I wanted to go to. Take York – nice city, newish buildings, good reputation, same for Lancaster. Or would I want a big city. If I was a parent I’d say Lancaster(23rd a fall of 4), in the country. If I was a student I’d say Manchester(24th a rise of 3) in the heart of the city. Well maybe anyway, I should be thinking about intellect. Depends on your subject and your results and if you can make an impression.  I have a degree from the Open University and it isn’t on the list. Having left school with nothing there is still a way in with the OU although it’s a lot more expensive now than when I did it.

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Nature: 3 woodpigeons, 1 squirrel, 1 mouse

The birds have been well fed in our garden for several years though protection from pests is a constant battle. The hanging seed container gets unwanted visitors like squirrels and yesterday a baby mouse had climbed up the post around 10am and was brazenly eating sunflower seeds. The seed tray on the ground also gets squirrels but more recently woodpigeons. These are persistent and last night there were 3 of them, one on each neighbours roof and ours. Smaller birds have no chance as they buzz them or just push them out. Now I’ve got a cover that goes over the seedtray when they arrive. It takes the fun out of it as the visiting small birds are getting fewer. The squirrels have got fewer as well and I wondered if someone was relocating them. After seeing the mouse hygiene steps are being put into place.

The woodpigeon is a very plump bird with a small head and its wings are noisy in flight. They’re very aggressive between themselves and have frequent wing flapping battles. The male is quick to make amorous bowing and rotating movements to any female but when it comes to food the male pushes the female out till he’s finished. Despite this aggression they’re shy with humans and leave at the smallest movement, but soon come back.  When they are nervous they make a small sideways edging movements that get bigger till they decide to go. They always completely clean all the seeds and any very small bits and will try to swallow pieces of bread that are far too big. Brassicas and other gardeners delights are favourites and young cabbage can be decimated.  Their drinking habits are unusual for a bird as they are able to suck whereas most birds collect water in their beaks and tip their heads back. As well as flying, walking is one of their activities enabling them to investigate every area of the garden. Despite their size they get into tight positions and will repeatedly try to get to unattainable food. They have a range of sounds from a low grunt to loud cooing.  They hide in trees and find different stealthy ways to approach protected areas. Although a problem they’re amusing and interesting birds.  It’s still raining.

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PNE first games

August 8, Morecambe in the Carling Cup at Deepdale. Morecambe havn’t reached the status of deadly local rivals and maybe they’ll bring some shrimps so take some butter to the game. They beat PNE last time so don’t get cocky.  They should be given a welcome as no-one would have said they’d get in the league or stay in. To add insult the BBC has put an Ebbsfleet crest as the major part of the Morecambe page based on a rumoured transfer. Would they put a large Madrid crest on Man U’s page – I think I need to get a life but it’s raining.

August 11, Bristol City at Deepdale in the Championship. Fairly close rival by league position so could be a key game.  Not a bad place Bristol, Brunels SS Great Britain, the first propellor driven iron ship is docked there. The home of Jenner the creator (though no man works in isolation) of the smallpox vaccine is near, awesome feat.  Remember that on August 11th the game is in Preston.

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TV Aerial – Digital Switchover

Our TV aerial started banging on the chimney so I called the man who fitted it about 10 years ago.  His first line was I needed a new aerial for digital switchover in November anyway, something about frequency. I said that isn’t true, I’d read the guidelines, and he eventually sort of came round to saying it would be better to have one. I guess it’s always better to have a new one  especially when it’s banging on the chimney, so I didn’t argue with that.

I was wondering whether to tell him I didn’t want to employ a prevaricator but I’d previously thought he was OK and maybe they’ll all give me the same story. His mate came round and it turned out the other man was now semi-retired so I didn’t see the point of him prevaricating (sounds better than lying). Decided to have a new aerial with a cable running to 2 bedrooms from an amplifier. £130 seemed pretty reasonable.  We’ve no upstairs TV’s so maybe it was an excess.

I wonder how many people are having new aerials when they don’t need them?  Preston’s pretty close to Winter Hill, about 13 miles in a straight line.

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