Preston area Rail Electrification dates announced

Network Rail have announced the dates for electrified rail services near Preston as follows:

  1. Manchester to West Coast Main Line and Newton-le-Willows, December 2013
  2. Newton-le-Willows to Liverpool Lime Street; Hyton to Wigan, December 2014
  3. Preston to Blackpool, December 2015
  4. Manchester Victoria to Preston, December 2016

Electrifying the line to Newton le Willows enables services from Manchester and Liverpool to Scotland through Preston to use electric traction.

The work is already showing effect to Blackpool with plans raise bridges and close roads along the route being announced.

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Electrification of the Manchester to Blackpool line

The Chancellor confirmed in Wednesday’s budget what had been stated before. That the line from Manchester to Blackpool via Preston will be electrified.  Just to remind us that some money is flowing into the North West, although it doesn’t compare with the £50+ billions spent on the Olympics, Crossrail, Thameslink, a possible new sewer and a possible airport expansion for London.

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Preston Passion – Good Friday 6th April 2012, 10am.

On Good Friday a Passion Play will take place in Preston, televised live on BBC1.  Ticket are available to be an active member of the performance or to be an audience member. Click on the link below.

http://www.prestonguild2012.com/?OBH=413&ID=322

The Manchester Passion Play televised a couple of years ago was a good performance and we look forward to this being its equal. In this year of Preston Guild.

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First win for Westley at PNE

Preston 1 Hartlepool 0.  Over 14,000 watched PNE score fairly late in the game and take their first win for the new manager.  The team has a lot of new faces and PNE could be on target for record turnover of players: 01 Stuckmann, 05 Robertson, 35 McAllister (Murphy – 67′ ), 42 Hunt, 10 Nicholson (Mayor – 54′ ), 13 Marrow, 15 Barton, 17 Parry, 38 Procter, 37 Holroyd, 39 Cummins. Substitutes: 25 Arestidou, 03 McLaughlin, 50 Brown, 16 Mayor, 34 Murphy (McLaughlin – 90′ ).

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Graham Westley takes over at PNE

Graham Westley has moved from Stevenage to take over the managers job at Preston North End. Bringing his 2 coaching staff, John Dreyer and Dino Maamria.

Not wasting any time he signed 3 loan players on Friday 20th January: Jamie McAllister, Andy Procter and Chris Holroyd.

The first game against Leyton Orient on 21st January started with a line up of: Stuckmann, McLean, Morgan, Carlisle, McAllister, Coutts, Procter, Parry, Proctor, Jervis, Holroyd. Subs: Gray, Nicholson, Tsoumou, Barton, Arestidou.

Preston lost the game 0 – 2 at home in front of a crowd of 11,436, not a good start. With Mayor pulling out sick shortly before the kick off and Bunn, loaned from Man City, not playing.

After the match Graham Westley said the team were not fit enough. Although some say that after a bad run they had started to get more points in the last few games.  Many think that too many players just aren’t good enough and it will be interesting to see how the new manager turns it round.

It isn’t known what is happening with Graham Alexander and David Unsworth who are both very popular at the club and had been managing the team in the interim.

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High Speed Rail to Preston

Ben Wallace MP for Wyre and Preston North spoke in parliament on including Preston in the High Speed Rail route, HS2. To which Justine Greening replied as below.

As reported in ‘they work for you’:

Ben Wallace (Wyre and Preston North, Conservative)

I think that I am on the slow line, Mr Speaker. I warmly welcome my right hon. Friend’s announcement today about High Speed 2. As a good northern girl, she will know that the north of England does not start and stop at Leeds and Manchester. On the route map published today, it seems that High Speed 2 on the north-west line extends further north than Manchester, perhaps to what looks like Preston. Will she give serious consideration to ensuring that Preston is included in phase 2, so that Lancashire and one of the hubs of British manufacturing get direct access to the south?

Justine Greening (Economic Secretary, HM Treasury; Putney, Conservative)

I am delighted to tell my hon. Friend that places such as Preston will gain from phase 1, in terms of connectivity between the west coast main line and HS2. I am as passionate as he is about ensuring that his area has excellent railway links, and we are looking at developing the HLOS2 proposal for shorter and medium-term funding in our railways. I have no doubt that he will continue to represent his constituents’ needs to us as powerfully as he just did, and I will continue to pay very close attention to them.

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PNE end Phil Brown’s time

After a poor run of results PNE’s new Chairman, Peter Ridsdale, told Phil Brown his time was up yesterday, 14th December, only 11 months after he replaced Darren Ferguson. PNE have had a string of management changes with Alan Irvine and Paul Simpson following Billy Davies.  Phil Brown is an optimistic and charismatic manager and it is with regret that this has happened, yet results aren’t good.

A win at Hartlepool at the end of November was the first league win since the end of September when PNE were well established in the top 6 of the league. Since then poor results have continued although injuries seemed to fog the issue and PNE are clinging onto the top half of the table.

Now PNE are in the hands of Paul Unsworth and Graham Alexander who will be given a chance to prove themselves. With four games up to new year and then a two week break it could be that decisions will need to be made before the transfer window closes if PNE have any money to spend. Rumours abound that there are clubs after certain players, which in some ways is a good thing, if PNE can hold onto them.

The season is no-where near over and an automatic promotion place is still possible, although in reality a play-off place might be optimistic.

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Parliament debates BAE redundancies

On November 24th a debate was held in parliament on the redundancies at BAE SYSTEMS primarily at the Warton and Samlesbury plants in Lancashire and the closure of the Brough site in Yorkshire. The prime mover was David Davis, the MP for the Yorkshire seat containing the Brough site. Also Alan Johnson, the MP for Hull West.  The debate was poorly attended with only those from threatened sites turning up. These included North West MP’s: Ben Wallace, Mark Menzies, Jack Straw, Mark Hendrick, Lorraine Fullbrook Graham Jones. With  Nigel Evans sitting in as Speaker. The government was represented by Peter Luff, Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Defence Equipment.

The main speaker was David Davis who raised points about the betrayal of a long history successful work at the Brough plant. That the Hawk still has prospects for sales and that much of it is being offered to overseas companies in ‘offset’ deals to gain more sales. Also the point was raised that BAE had made the error of selling off its commercial aircraft interests which had often taken up the slack when defence orders are slow. A plea to slow the rate of redundancies at Brough was raised.

There was also talk about the terms in the ‘yellow book’ which represents the trading agreements between government and industry. This relates to guaranteeing jobs to maintain capability and covers who pays for redundancy costs. It seems the government pays in this case. Some MP’s think BAE is exploiting this.

Others mentioned large overspends that need to be reduced and ensuring the ability to satisfy future projects.

Each MP spoke. It seemed reading the debate that very little was said that hasn’t been said a dozen times. It is perhaps unusual for redundancies at one company to secure so much time for discussion and it left me wondering what was achieved. At the end there was a resolution which might mean more in politics than it does when reading it. This says;

That this House urges BAE Systems to act to preserve the UK’s defence production skills base and, as a recipient of enormous resources over many years from the UK taxpayer, to deploy those resources in such a way as to protect the nation’s manufacturing capability.

Or it seemed;  Carry on as planned,  if what you make costs more and what you can offer is limited by inflexibility then you reduce the chance to sell it, and so could lose more jobs.

It could be argued that to preserve jobs the government should place contracts that pull work forward or create new research. In the current climate this seems unlikely.

An overview of defence as a whole could read as follows. Over the years the UK aircraft industry has consolidated to a few plants and BAE has changed from an aircraft company to one that delivers systems with a large part in the US. Also the number of projects has declined and it appears that the UK is likely to become an aircraft ‘part’ manufacturer. With UAV’s potentially creating work but it isn’t clear how that will evolve. The alternatives come with large bill. Perhaps a measure of the UK’s decline over the years coupled with increased complexity and the range of military options from tanks to submarines, UCAV’s and very expensive electronics, counter-measures, surveillance and cyber-warfare. Where to focus? Which elements to play a major part in?  Off the shelf, licence build, direct purchase? A lot to consider.  Let’s hope we can maintain a viable aircraft industry producing whole aircraft rather than a bit player. Today we might not be optimistic. Only the French put national glory and maintenance of capability on an equal pedestal to financials e.g. Renault, Airbus, TGV, Nuclear Power, Ships.

The aircraft industry has been recognised as one that generates large export earnings through products and services over long periods of time.  Aircraft also contain a wide range of sophisticated equipment that provides high technology business and employment all over the country and these items are also exported. The business fosters close relationships and partnerships with other countries of all sizes that often leads onto other business, particularly infrastructure, as well as demonstrating a capability to participate in future high technology international ventures. Investment in aircraft projects provides the likes of BAE, Rolls Royce, Martin Baker, Marconi with the foundation for their products. There is a lot to lose without care.

Read the full debate on the website ‘they work for you’.

http://www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2011-11-24a.472.1&s=speaker%3A11668#g475.0

 

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20mph Speed Limit in Lancashire

Lancashire County Council popped a leaflet through our door today announcing that our road will have a 20mph speed limit to improve safety and improve the local environment. The leaflet says that the objective is to make driving at 20mph second nature.

One solution to this irritation is to stop voting in local elections because no-one asked for this and yet here it is. To let us know we are in the 21st Century and consistency is a thing long forgotten the motorway speed limit is expected  to go up to 80mph and red tape and regulation is to be reduced. Obviously a significant number of these incidents aren’t on roads that will be part of this exercise.

The leaflet contains no data or targets for improvement. Yet searching the internet it seems that in the last 5 years the number of serious injuries and deaths on Lancashire roads has reduced from about 1100 to around 800 although deaths seem to fluctuate around 60 people.

Who’d deny that saving one life isn’t worthwhile and yet this seems like another handcuff for decent people being spread broadbrush.  Let’s face it there are jobs at stake here, jobs creating rules and how proud you’d feel to have brought in such a rule. How proud you’d be that having landed a job in safety you improved it even though the environmental department got a pasting with increased emissions that created a demand for further restrictions and the NHS got more asthma cases in hospital. Bravo!

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Goodbye Tithebarn Project

This week John Lewis pulled out of being an anchor store in the proposed Preston major development, Tithebarn. The state of the economy and job losses at BAE Systems were quoted as contributing to the decision.  Although one national paper said John Lewis might still be interested in an out of town store and haven’t given up the area completely as a Waitrose is planned in South Ribble.

After over 10 years of debate and delay it is surprising anyone is still in the project. Blackburn must think they won in the end by delaying it with their legal challenge.

What now? A smaller project is mooted with no bus station and containing an M&S. There must be a clue here and with the Winckley Square on-going discussion that the way to get things done needs to be changed. It might be thought that John Lewis would have come into Preston years ago if the first stage had been to build their shop, and perhaps M&S, along with parking. Shrinking the bus station to half its size would have left part of its iconic shape and been big enough while providing car parking space as well.

Grandiose plans have created an all or nothing state similar to Blackpool when the casino dream died.  Yet after being badly holed Blackpool has obtained a lot of money to rejuvenate its centre, the tram system and its two best known buildings and is now starting on a Central Business District development. So perhaps Preston can dust off its plans and start a more realistic scheme phased sensibly so not to disrupt the centre for years and not to frighten the neighbours.

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Preston’s Old Buildings Departing

This week Preston Council granted planning permission for houses to be built on the land now occupied by the Park School on Moor Park. This school educated generations of Preston females who passed their 11+ exam, including my mother and her sister some 70 years ago. It is granted that the school doesn’t look very interesting except for the tower over the entrance which has some elaborate stonework. To appease conservationists this will be put into storage, including the pieces containing the Preston crest and the words ‘Park School’.

Whether demolishing the building is good or bad is open to question. The attractiveness and potential uses of a building change with time. Many an old hovel was knocked down and now they are classed as characterful and in demand to live in or as tourist attractions.  At this time the elaborate stonework contrasting with the red brickwork is the main feature of Edwardian buildings and it could be said there are still quite a lot of them around. Also there is a need to build on brownfield sites rather than greenfield and as travelling becomes more expensive building near town centres is likely to become more popular.  On balance the decision seems acceptable.

The other old building in the news is the former Park Hotel, built 1883, a major feature of Preston, having a commanding position over the Grade II listed Miller Park. This building is deemed surplus to Lancashire County Council’s use as offices and staff are being moved into the main Pitt Street offices. The building will then be put on sale. If justice was to be done it would be kept as Council Offices as that is one of the best ways to preserve it.  It might be thought that a preservation grant would be available to councils for this. Let us hope that a good use is found although the recession and general cut backs make this unlikely in the short term.

The preservation of buildings is a controversial subject. There are as many opinions as people and we can’t keep every building. Those no longer fit for a purpose have a difficult time.  The main bus station and Mount Street Hospital being two buildings at risk. Proposals to modernise buildings and places are often sacrilegious, like the hanging letters on Winckley Square.  Careful planning and cash are needed. Of the above buildings it seems the Park School isn’t worth keeping but the former Park Hotel should certainly have its exterior shape preserved at least.

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Voluntary Redundancy

Having taken voluntary redundancy 7 years ago I can understand some of the feelings BAE workers will be going through.  But this story is for people in their late 50’s. I was the right age and had a reasonable pension and a wife at work so my finances weren’t bad. The biggest concern was leaving somewhere I’d worked for a long time and if I’d be bored.

As far as leaving somewhere I’d worked for a long time. On walking out of the gate for  the last time I found that for some reason I couldn’t stop laughing and it carried on for quite a while. Although strangely I dreamed of being at work nearly every night for 3 months. I’ve never been near where I worked and have no desire to. Sometimes I wonder if that’s a psychological condition but if it is I don’t really care.

Would I have anything to do? For quite a few years I’d been building up a couple of hobbies for when I retired. Yet on leaving I found quite a bit to do in addition. I’d also add that I’m not someone who needs a lot of company. So I started by building a new PC, then finished my Open University degree. Stripped the kitchen down to bare bricks and rebuilt it,  regularly attend a fitness centre which to me is also a social activity and joined a couple of local societies, there seem to be dozens of these attended mainly by older people. The week goes at a different pace and meeting someone every day and doing at least one of the hobbies seems to give a sense of achievement. Also need to get out and have some exercise.  Can’t say I’ve had any bored time although I have met people who hate being retired and go to work as sub-contractors or part-time.

To also pass the time, a few of the injuries of an active outdoor life start to need treatment and after having never attended a hospital for 58 years have had a couple of treatment programmes.

On finances, it seems that with the slowing down of pace your needs don’t seem as much. Also you have time to search out better deals and do things yourself. Going into town during the week seems less hurried and shops seem to have better deals than at weekend.  There is no doubt you need to work out what you really need and you might be surprised at what you waste. Heating costs are more being at home but you can limit what you heat. After a while it settles down.

I haven’t regretted it but we’re all different.  I’ve always had a lot of interests where new ones took hold as old ones got boring so it never seemed that I’d be short of things to do.

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North End move to second place

Worth mentioning that after winning last night at Wycombe, PNE are 2nd in league 1 with a game in hand on the leaders. So theoretically could be table leaders. Not to get over excited at this stage in season.  A couple of seasons ago they were top in November and tumbled down the league narrowly missing relegation.

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BAE Systems redundancies announced

BAE Systems announced on 27th September, 3,000 potential job losses at its sites. Of the total the Preston area includes; 843 at Warton and 565 at Samlesbury, making 1,408 in the area. Worst hit of all the military aircraft sites is Brough in East Yorkshire which is to lose 899 out of a total workforce of around 1,300.  As yet no timescales for the rundown are in general circulation.

Warton and Samlesbury are hit by a slowdown in Typhoon deliveries which has been agreed with Germany, Italy and Spain. Also by a slowdown in the build up of the US led programme, the F35.

The Brough site is Hawk related and a union representative said on the BBC that Hawk work will be moved to Warton which they are going to resist. The company has stated it is negotiating ending manufacture at Brough which will leave structural testing at the site.

In the last few years there have been a number of reductions at the Preston area sites. The Jaguar and Harrier taken out of UK service. Nimrod scrapped. Some Tornados mothballed. Previously defence work has been consolidated at Warton as other sites closed and export orders kept the workforce numbers high. As Tornado and Typhoon have peaked and F35 work delayed some reduction seems inevitable.

Yet BAE has often cut numbers locally and sometimes taken them back within a couple of years. Whether this will happen again is questionable although there are a number of potential orders such as Typhoon for India. Also the company declared the job reductions as ‘potential’ so there is perhaps optmistically  some scope for movement of staff and new work which may reduce actual redundancies.

For the future the company are working on unmanned aircraft and prototypes have been built. Questions will be asked about what comes after Typhoon and fits above the F35, if anything.  The US has long wanted to be the monopoly supplier to Europe’s Air Forces. A ‘super project’ like the F35 ordered by almost every western air force will no doubt be proposed to see off the capability of the UK. Although it might be expected the French will continue their full range of aircraft and air vehicle manufacturing capability and perhaps they are the people to use as an example or logical partner.

Preston isn’t the only area with advanced technology development and manufacturing on these aircraft. The engines, radar, electronics, undercarriage, ejection seats all have major UK development and manufacture and are all assisted by a home market which enables their equipment to be chosen on American and other aircraft. A manufacturer not selected on a home project loses mass and credibility. A long term plan for the industry isn’t visible at this time although this isn’t a new situation with aircraft projects being complex and long term.

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Trams in Preston – Edinburgh’s lessons

For quite some time there has been the idea of building a tram track and trams in Preston using part of the old Longridge rail line, including a route along Church Street. On paper this seems a good idea enabling the railway station to be linked to the new bus station and then Deepdale and the Bluebell Park and Ride area.

Recently the example of Edinburgh highlights the risks of what appears a relatively simple task.  Edinburgh’s tram system is years late, has cost around 5 times more than planned and is going to be under half the original length. In the last week there has been a lot debate about whether the track will reach the city centre at a further cost of £250million.  A lot of this seems to be put down to inadequate survey of the route. Most people don’t realise that all utilities under the track are moved so that the track isn’t dug up on a regular basis. In Edinburgh this turned out to be a very major job with unknown tunnels and sewers.  It might be thought Preston has less likelihood of unknown under road obstacles.  It is also said that Manchester and Nottingham did a bigger survey and had less problems although maybe they wouldn’t have had them anyway.

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High Speed Rail consultation period ends

The High Speed Rail consultation period concluded at the end of July and decision making will take until the end of the year. At present the line is planned to extend as far as Manchester in the north-west but it is said that High Speed trains could continue to Glasgow along conventional lines at slower speeds. Lancashire could get some benefit from the service either via Manchester or by joining the line further south. There could also be benefit from the freed capacity on the conventional track. If fuel costs continue to increase rail travel could increase dramatically as it already has started to do and the current plan is much too slow.

The previous government planned that £2bn a year would be spent on rail. Crossrail and Thameslink in London would spend that up to about 2017 when High Speed Rail work would start. Yet it seems very unfair that all the investment is going into London while the rest of the country gets London’s old rolling stock as they get new trains. There are 55million people living outside London and the gap in wealth gets larger while more and more money is poured into London – the Olympics being another example. Surely it is time for some equality.  It is said that London is more dependent on rail transport yet it has the only high speed rail line in the country and that goes outside the city to Europe. So London is sucking in people from outside to use its monopoly position. Why should people from the Midlands and the North need to travel to London to go to Europe on the train.

London is currently like a pressure cooker, hemmed in by small hills north and south and nothing of significance crossing those barriers. High Speed Rail will release some of the pressure and it would be expected to shrink the country so that areas well beyond those hills feel the benefits of the London investment effect. On top of that it could release capacity at Heathrow for lucrative international flights rather than domestic ones.

The need for a high speed line is here now, the West Coast Main Line is very busy and increasing train length is only a stop gap. Adding more track will cost as much if not more than a High Speed line.  Building should commence on the full length of line to Manchester and Leeds immediately with a target opening date in 5 years. British engineering companies should be given research funding to develop train technology. Work should also start on improving the track to ensure High Speed compatibility all the way to Scotland. The recession provides a benefit by reducing costs and the project will create jobs.

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Tithebarn another step forward

The appeal by Blackburn against the Tithebarn project has been rejected.  Blackburn are now considering whether to make a further appeal although most think it’s throwing good money after bad.

Whether the Blackburn appeal has already done its job might be another factor. The delays to the project have put it into a time when retail on the high street is going through a bad patch.  Investors now need convincing that there is the prospect of a return. In the last week alone well known retailers like Habitat, Jane Norman and TJ Hughes have called in administrators. The battle between the high street and the internet is one reason, not to mention out of town shopping, and it might be thought that over the longer term the internet can only get bigger.

If it is true that John Lewis are looking to open a store they are one of the few retailers that isn’t doing so badly. Although their business tends to be with people who have a decent level of disposable income, whether Preston can still present many of this type of customer might be questioned.

The government is also looking to steer the economy away from the consumer led boom and high borrowing.  Also the cost of Chinese made goods is increasing. Whether this means retail will no longer be a growth area and growth will come from other businesses might tip the balance of the project away from retail and towards business premises. It has seemed possible that Tithebarn is expanding Preston’s retail area more than might be sustainable if you add in out-of-town supermarkets and retail areas.  A watch needs to be kept on potentially conflicting interests; developers, builders, retailers, businesses and the council, to ensure that a white elephant doesn’t appear in the heart of Preston or that it compromises the rest of the centre which is looking quite smart now.

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Made in Britain, we’re on TV again

The BBC once more centred around the area of Preston in its Made in Britain programme fronted by Evan Davies on the 20th June. A visit to Warton to see the highest levels of technology followed by a flight in a Typhoon ‘the most advanced fighter in the world’. This programme was music to my ears. A celebration of what is made in Britain and where we are headed discussed with some depth and two more episodes to come.

The UK is still the 7th largest manufacturer in the world but falling although still having some very large succesful companies like GKN. Comparing the UK with China the conclusion was that the jobs moved there because they are simple to do and China can do them cheaply. Our challenge is to keep ahead of the game. Obvious you might say.  Even when the items are made in China it was said that 80% of the added value is retained in the UK. The route being suggested to keep ahead is through niche manufacture like MacLaren cars and other items of sophistication and desire. Next week it’s research and development. Will it be back to Warton, although aero engines, pharmaceuticals and microchips are also big in the UK for R&D.

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PNE 2011 / 12 fixtures released

Yesterday the Football League released Preston’s League 1 fixtures.  The first game is at home against Colchester on the 6th August. The last time PNE played Colchester it was in the cup and PNE scored 7 goals. The second game is at fellow relegation club Scunthorpe on 13th August.

It would be easy to be complacent but PNE had a bad season last year and ended quite a few points behind the team above. There is no reason to suppose that League 1 teams will be overawed, clubs like Sheffield Wednesday and United have big histories. MK Dons, Huddersfield and Bournemouth won’t be easy to beat. There is a good standard of play in the top half of league 1, PNE will do well to be in the top 6.

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The Street That Cut Everything

Out of thousands of streets in the UK the BBC selected a street in Preston for ‘The Street That Cut Everything’ broadcast last week.  Meant to highlight the difficulty of providing public services with a limited budget it seemed to score more on Big Brother personal trials and conflict.

In this world the council empty your bin onto the street and then turn off the streetlights, some might say what’s new.  Then at night when it’s completely dark mindless graffiti, fly tipping and a mass dog fouling exercise occur. What’s new? This being TV, solutions must be found immediately, wrong ones are penalised and conflict dramatised.

Novel solutions like storing waste in the lounge and filling your garage with fly tipped junk are used. A spotlight is hired for street lighting. But these are just an inconvenience.

The most contentious part is social care. One family needs extra financial help because of low income.  An old lady had previously been taken by council supplied bus to the shops and residential centre.  As the final twist a lady wanted help from this street for her father who lived somewhere else.

We all had opinions but you couldn’t help admire Mr Can do, the caravan salesman who arranged the lights and generally kept upbeat.  A lot of people put in a lot of elbow grease. Some were good at talking but weren’t seen doing a lot. Some seemed to want more than they appeared to be putting  back, although in the limited time you couldn’t get a full picture. Overall it seemed as good a range of sensible and decent people as you’d find.

The success appeared to be with the old lady who  was an invisible street member until the show, whether this lasts beyond the show time will tell. The most interesting was the resident who expressed entitlement, an idea that often causes strong feelings, and you might wonder if this scene was set up to stir the pot for the show. The residents voted to provide all the needs even though they had no money left but not without it causing bad feeling from those who felt they didn’t have much but managed.

One case thrown in seemed to test reality.  Whether to support a residents disabled father who lived elsewhere.  Wouldn’t the street where the father lived pay for his help in reality? Yet it was agreed, with some being in no doubt it was right, and some seeming to have given up.

In the end Mr Can Do said the programme had created divisions that may never heal and the lady who wanted benefits said she’d move. That’s what you get when your personal life is laid open to those nearby to judge. It made decision making look difficult and recognition for council services. Yet, if you’re thrown in the deep end with no training it will look difficult and as councils have more than council tax for income it wasn’t clear that the refunded tax was all they were entitled to, so their budget was probably low.

Overall it scored on entertainment and gave some perspective of decision making, but didn’t give a broad or deep insight or have any after programme discussion into what was learnt. Some people expressed more sympathy with the council, and why not. In general councils do a good job in a very civilised way, but it might be you think it could be done even better or cheaper.

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